Getting to Equal: Gender Parity in the Workplace | Women in Agile

In honor of International Women’s Day 2019 and Women’s History Month, today’s episode features a female leader we’re proud to call our own. Neville Poole is a woman of color, wife, mother, and a managing director at Accenture | SolutionsIQ.

She remembers a time when, while working as a bank teller, people would stand in line to wait for her white, male colleague to attend to them. One customer even told her manager, “I’m not comfortable sharing my financials with the black girl.” Neville took it in stride, determined not to let anyone stop her from achieving her dreams.

She says that being a woman of color in the male-dominated industry of finance and technology has not always been easy. “Some people just can’t get past their own prejudices,” she says, “and I can’t change that.” Hear her advice to other women on how to own your space, develop and share your uniqueness with the world. And her advice to men: Be aware that different dynamics apply for women than men, and when you notice it, have a conversation about it.

Accenture | SolutionsIQ’s Roxi Ozolins hosts.

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Accenture, a global firm with more than 450,000 employees, is striving to achieve a gender balanced workforce by 2025 – and by 2020, women will account for 25 percent of managing directors worldwide. Learn more about how we’re #GettingToEqual here.

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ROXI OZOLINS: Hi everyone, and welcome to another edition of Agile Amped. I’m your host, Roxi Ozolins. And joining us today is our very own Neville Poole. She is a managing director and the North America lead for customer solutions here at Accenture SolutionsIQ. And with her she brings 20 years of business process and software delivery experience and is a leader in business agility, a wife, a mother of two daughters, and a big Carolina Panther fan who makes a mean queso. Neville, welcome and thank you so much for joining us.

NEVILLE POOLE: Thank you, Roxi. And thank you for the amazing introduction.

ROXI OZOLINS: Well, you’re a very dynamic woman. You deserve it. So I’m going to start with the basics. Can you tell me a little bit more about your role here at SolutionsIQ?

NEVILLE POOLE: Absolutely. So I lead an amazing team of people that are responsible for business development, specifically focused on business agility. We are the trusted advisors that senior executives turn to, to solve some of their most complex, technically challenging business problems. And so my team is the first one to partner with client account leads and account teams to really help understand what problems our clients are trying to solve and how we co-create a plan to get there. So my team, they’re spaced out all across North America, awesome people, and I have the privilege of being able to work with those guys every day.

ROXI OZOLINS: Wow. Okay, that is a very niche title, niche job. What we do is obviously very specialized. And so I’m wondering how you got here. What has the journey to today looked like?

NEVILLE POOLE: Whoa, that’s a big question. And it’s a story that haven’t shared very often. But it’s really special to me. My journey started back in 1994. I was a junior in college and I went to a historically black college. And during my college career, I made a conscious decision to start my career before graduation. So I actually took a job as a banker at NationsBank at the time. And I changed all of my classes to night classes. So right before graduation, I started looking for a job to take me to the next level within that consumer banking path, and it led me to Charlotte. So I posted for it, graduated and moved to Charlotte. And so my journey got a little crazy as I was always searching for something new and exciting. I transferred to a different bank and started training mortgage brokers on new technology for underwriting mortgages. I went to a startup dotcom company, which was my introduction into E-commerce, then went back to a bank as a channel manager and started working in strategy. And then I was laid off.

So it was pretty devastating for me because I started my career so early in my life that I never really thought about not having a job. So to be laid off at that point was very, very devastating for me. So I decided I wanted to take a new path and I got into consulting, primarily around business analysis, project management, release management. And so I took a job with a local retail company based out of Charlotte, the Charlotte area. And during that part of my career, they decided to make a change to Agile. And so it wasn’t something I knew anything about. I knew what Agile meant as a word but not as a part of a business. And so as a part of this transformation that this company was making, I was chosen to be one of the first Scrum Masters.

So not sure I was super cool with that, but I knew I loved the people that I worked with there and I was willing to take a chance on learning something new and sticking around. And it actually became one of the best decisions I ever made. So I went from Scrum Master to team coach, and after a few years I joined the leadership team at Davisbase where I started my coaching journey. And shortly thereafter, I became a part of the leadership team and I was responsible for building out the Charlotte market. And everything was great. And I didn’t think anything could be better than Davisbase and the people that I was working with and the clients that I was engaging with and just this mission I had to overtake the market here in Charlotte with what we offered as Agile transformation services.

And just as I thought nothing could get any better than this, Davisbase was acquired by SolutionsIQ. And I was like, “This is not good. How could anything be better than Davisbase?” But what I quickly realized was that was the best move that Steve Davis could have ever made. We joined a like-minded company that was dedicated to people. And at SolutionsIQ I was responsible for development of the South region, business development, account management, people working in my particular region. And everything was great. And then we were acquired by Accenture. So I was like, “What in the world is happening? Just when I think it can’t get any better, something happens.” And I really did not know what to expect. And the first year as a part of Accenture was fast and furious. I was responsible for the products and resources industries or operating groups. I talked to more teams and clients in the first year of being at Accenture than I had in my entire career. I was delivering as a senior advisor on a lot of Agile transformation work. I was running the products and resources portfolios within our Agile practice. And it was crazy. I loved every minute of it, but it was intense.

Then in 2018, I was promoted to managing director and given an amazing opportunity to lead our customer lifecycle team in North America. And here I am.

ROXI OZOLINS: Yeah. Yeah, so wow. I didn’t know that. That is incredible. There’s so many people that I’ve spoken to about how we’ve all gotten here that have that one moment where everything changed. And you can pinpoint it, like when you were asked to be a Scrum Master. I love that. That’s really cool. I want to hug that company and the people that pushed you in that direction. That’s fantastic.

NEVILLE POOLE: Thank you.

ROXI OZOLINS: Yeah. Okay, so what a fabulous journey. But along the way, being a woman and in our world, because obviously we work together here, I do find that we are a minority. And they’re working really hard to get to 50/50, and I feel that. But have there been any obstacles, as a woman, that you’ve faced in this workforce or along that journey?

NEVILLE POOLE: Absolutely, Roxi. And some of the things that we encounter as women, we just, “Yeah, people don’t get it. They don’t understand. Whatever.” But there were some things that were pretty pivotal for me in my career that those obstacles changed some of my perspective and, in essence, could’ve changed the course of my career journey. But when I was at the bank, at one of the banks, I was a banker in a predominantly white, older, established neighborhood. The retirement communities were the main customers. And retired people have a lot of money, especially in this particular area that I was working in. And so I can still remember some of the customers coming into the banking center, needing assistance, and would form a line where they would be waiting for my white, male counterpart. They did not want me to know how much money they had in their bank account.

ROXI OZOLINS: Oh my gosh.

NEVILLE POOLE: At one point, a person speaking to a manager, “I’m not comfortable sharing my financials with the black girl.” And so it was really interesting how… When I think back on how harsh that sounds, in the moment I just had this passion and desire that I wasn’t going to let anybody stop me that I just said, “Okay, that’s their loss. Whatever. We’ll move on.”

ROXI OZOLINS: Wait in line. Wait in line.

NEVILLE POOLE: Exactly. In the back of my mind, it was interesting because I had worked so hard to graduate from college early, or on time, with honors to get excluded from getting treated that way. But what I realized is that it doesn’t matter. It didn’t matter what I did, it didn’t matter what I knew, it didn’t matter what school I graduated from. Some people just can’t get past their own prejudices. And I can’t change that. So what I can do is I can continue to strive and deliver value in a way that helps someone else realize the value.

So I’m a thinker, I process a lot of information. And it’s one of the other, I would call it… You could phrase it up as an obstacle, but I think internally and not externally. And many times people think I don’t have an opinion on a topic or that I’m not a decision maker because I don’t talk through my processing. I internalize my process. And I think a lot of women do that. When we speak, we want it to mean something, we want it to be powerful, we want it to be relevant, we want it to make sense and resonate. And so, for me, it takes me a little bit of time to do that. And I’ve had some of my male peers, some of my male leaders, tell me, “It seems like you don’t have an opinion. It seems like you’re not engaged because you’re not talking over everybody else that’s talking in the room.” And so that has kind of been an obstacle for me just over the years in a male-dominated leadership position of making sure that my voice is heard and that my thoughts are heard in a way that still shows that I’m still there to play to game.

So that has been a challenge for me. And I struggled with being my authentic self while still showing up as a key influential factor in the conversation. So I’m careful, I’m strategic, I choose what I say very deliberately. And sometimes while I’m thinking, decisions are being made. So I have to figure out how do I… still do that in a way that allows me to process the way I need to process. And the funny thing about that is men actually brought that to my attention. And I thought that was interesting because it was a genuine conversation where it was, “Neville, we know you have a powerful opinion and a powerful decision that could be made, and we want to hear it. This is how it’s perceived.”

So those two things, just the challenges of being a black woman and the challenges of sometimes some of our female characteristics of being process thinkers. And every woman’s not that way. I’ve met plenty of women that can go in there with the best of them and just keep it going. But that’s just not me. And so that has sometimes been an obstacle for me.

ROXI OZOLINS: Yeah. Or even if you do, I’ve had a few instances where I’ve said something and a few moments later a male colleague makes the same suggestion and they’re like, “Oh Johnny, that’s a great idea.” And you’re like, “Ah, excu-, oh yeah Johnny, great idea.”

NEVILLE POOLE: Right.

ROXI OZOLINS: Yeah. Yeah, no, that’s great. That’s interesting. And that’s wonderful that part of that was brought to you by a male colleague or a man in your life. I love that kind of authentic reflection and conversation. I feel like that’s where we can really grow.

NEVILLE POOLE: Awesome.

ROXI OZOLINS: I love that. Yeah, thank you for sharing that. So since that time in the bank or just over the last 20 years, given the obstacles that you’ve faced and overcome, how have you seen the workforce change? Or how hasn’t it?

NEVILLE POOLE: I would say some progress has been made, for sure. Even when you take a large organization like Accenture and say that parity is important enough to report out to the public about the progression of that is a huge deal. And in my experience, my primary industries have been financial services and technologies. And these two aren’t necessarily separate industries anymore. But early in my career they were. And so most women were analysts, project managers, they run the PMO. And for the most part I still see us in some of those roles. But we do have a seat at the table in the digital transformation and innovation C-level roles. And I’m starting to see even more female Agile coaches, which is really exciting. Because we have a nurturing capability that isn’t shared by everyone. And that is key to coaching at every level of the organization.

So the workforce has a long way to go but companies are making diversity a priority, and that is the right thing to do. So it’s not exclusion, it’s diversity. It’s making sure that when we are assessing what we need as a leadership team, as an organization, that we’re hearing from a diverse group so that we can make the best decision. And I feel like organizations are starting to really be serious about making sure that they don’t make decisions based off of the first person that applied for something, but really taking the time to assimilate diverse options and then making the best decision. So from my perspective, that would be what I would say is the most progress I’m seeing from a workforce perspective.

ROXI OZOLINS: Fantastic. Anything that hasn’t? Anything that you’re still facing? As we’re gearing up for International Women’s Day, or just trying to spotlight female leaders like yourself, I think it’s important for our listeners to hear some reality and struggles that they may be facing and know that they’re not alone. It’s not perfect, definitely not. We’re lucky enough to work for a company that I feel very supported in, but is there any trends or things that you still see happening around you that maybe we could talk about?

NEVILLE POOLE: Yeah, there’s still… It’s so funny, I tell this story to a couple of my counselees last week when we were doing our career counseling session. And I have a new mentee that I’m really excited about working with. And he asked me a question that was very similar. And one of the things that I always talk about is my name, Neville. It’s a masculine name. I was named after my great-grandmother but it’s a masculine name. So typically when people hear the word Neville they’re expecting a man to show up. And I can’t even tell you how many times I have completely shocked either someone in person or on a video call when Neville the female shows up. And they’re like, “Oh.” I say, “You thought I was a guy, right?” So that’s something that I will never outlive. Neville is deemed a guy. But there are times where I’ve been in meetings with clients with a counterpart, a male counterpart, and the instinct for them is to direct their questions to him until I have validated that I know what I’m talking about.

I feel like a lot of times we aren’t necessarily given the benefit of the doubt going into strategic conversations that we know what we’re talking about. I feel like we have to prove it. I have to step up, I have to speak up and say, “This is what it is.” Or if I’m co-presenting with a male counterpart, we need to be very strategic about the way we deliver this information so that it shows that both of us are coming to the table knowing exactly what we’re talking about. It’s not one-sided. And that is something… I see the body language. And I have to give myself a pinch on the leg underneath the table like, “Don’t start tripping. You’re going to get it and it’s fine.” I’m not trying to be anybody that I’m not, but I want to be respected and considered just like they are. And sometimes it’s not my team member’s fault. It’s just some people come in with a bias that he is the leader. He’s the lead in this conversation, whether he is or not. And so that is still something that I think will just take time. It takes us to come and show up and have a seat at the table.

I was reading an article in I think it was one of the airline magazines on one of my trips, about how sometimes women, when we come into the room, we take the seat that’s not at the table, literally the seat that’s not at the table.

ROXI OZOLINS: Yeah, yeah.

NEVILLE POOLE: I have done that so many times. And I didn’t even realize it was an issue. But how am I going to have a voice in the conversation if I’m in the back of the room, in the back corner on the wall, because either there were no more seats taken or I just chose to pick that seat. So there are biases that people have that create an energy where some people would take that to say, “Okay, they don’t want to hear from me so I’m just not going to say anything. I’ll just let him lead it.” And that’s not the case. It is the invitation to talk. It’s the invitation to show that you are here to provide the value that they need. And if I don’t give it to you, then I’m actually doing you a disservice. So that bias is something that is real and it’s something that it’ll come with time, but it’s definitely a challenge that we still see, that I still see.

ROXI OZOLINS: Yeah. Now this is a really hard one, and I just was thinking about it as you were talking. We’ve had recently some great conversations in our women in agile groups here internally, but is there any advice that we could give, that you would be wanting to offer our male colleagues, all the men out there listening to this podcast that maybe hadn’t even realized that they’ve experienced this or been a part of that kind of a bias? Is there any advice, even if it’s just to check in with your operating model, be aware? Is there anything that you would share there?

NEVILLE POOLE: You took the words right out of my mouth, and it’s be aware. You don’t have to do anything, just be aware. Assess the way interactions are going when you are working with a female teammate as it relates to a client. I’m not asking anybody to babysit us. What I’m saying is if you recognize that the conversation is being one-sided and you’re working with a team member that just doesn’t have the personality to say, “Oh, well hold on, let me tell you this,” open it up for an opportunity to speak. And then retrospect on it with her after the meeting, “How do you think it went? Do you think there was an opportunity where you could’ve interjected or is there something that was keeping you from speaking?” Just be aware and have the conversation is all I would ever ask of any male counterpart when we’re having this type of engagement together. Once you’re aware of it, it automatically sticks to you. And then as you retrospect with your team member, then you start to become a part of changing the culture.

ROXI OZOLINS: Yeah. Oh, I love that. I love that. So on this path of advice, do you have advice for women getting started in their careers or struggling to find their voice or who aren’t as lucky as we are to work here, where I feel like all of these conversations are on the table? And even though it’s not perfect, I feel heard. Do you have any advice that you could share for all the women out there trying to accomplish some of the great things that you have?

NEVILLE POOLE: Yeah. And one thing I wish someone told me back in the summer of 1995 when I was graduating from college is understand what makes you you, and be comfortable in it. Because if you’re not comfortable with who you are, you show up in all kinds of ways to people. And if you don’t understand what makes you you, then you really are not fulfilling all that’s possible for you. I didn’t understand until… I’m not even going to say what age I was. But I didn’t understand until later that the love that I have for people is what makes me who I am. And I didn’t realize that. That was something that I saved for my friends and my family. It wasn’t necessarily something that I showed up at work with. I would put in my pocket and wait until I got off work to be me. Be you, all of the time. I have so much passion about that because it stifled me in a lot of different ways coming up in my profession. And now what you see is what you get. This is me.

And I’m happy with who I am and understanding who I am to where I can be happy having the conversation with somebody that may not be happy with me. So if I’m stepping into a situation where they don’t want to talk to a woman, they may definitely not want to talk to a black woman, I’m okay with that. Because I understand who I am, and I’m fine with that. And that’s your problem that you have to deal with. So when you understand who you are and be comfortable in it and own it, develop it and share it, that is power. And it allows us to just be magnetic. It allows people to want to talk to us. It makes me comfortable in any setting that I find myself in. And I always take heed at what’s going on around me. There’ve been more times where I’m the only female in the room than not. And I look at that and I just kind of chuckle inside, like, “Oh, this is going to be fine,” because I’m comfortable with who I am.

Develop your uniqueness in every possible way is something that is so important. Because our diverse backgrounds, our challenges growing up as women, even as girls in class, “Be nice. Don’t talk back. Sit down,” that kind of development… And I know for me it was a big deal because of my mother. If I got in trouble in school, it was a big deal. I got my schoolwork done but I liked to talk. So I got bad grades in conduct. So she’s like, “How do you get bad grades in conduct? That’s not cool. So keep your mouth shut.” So I learned that, and then now I’m trying to not keep my mouth shut. So what is happening? But that part of really owning who you are is super important.

And I think the second thing, or I don’t know how many things I said between now and then, but the last thing is be known for something. What is your thing? What do you do? What do you want people to say, “Oh, if I want to talk about this, I need to go talk to Neville,” or, “I need to go talk to Roxi.” And be known for that, develop that. Read. Do whatever you need to do to own your space. And then everything else is good. That’s my advice. That’s the advice I give to my friends, my daughters, my career counselees, my mentees. I believe that that is truly the way to mitigate a lot of pain and frustration. Because we’re going to have so many challenges thrown our way, but if what I can sit back and say is, “I was who I am and I knew I could bring value to this conversation, and if they weren’t willing to listen or they didn’t want to hear it, that’s not on me. That’s on them. And they’ve now lost an opportunity to learn something valuable.”

ROXI OZOLINS: Yeah, and I hadn’t realized it until you just explained that. Having had the honor and the joy to work with you for the past few years, you’ve mastered that ability to be an expert and approachable and kind and genuine. I think of you as a friend, and then I can immediately switch back into this space where you’re an expert. It’s very dynamic. And I see now how you’ve accomplished that. And I think that is great, fantastic advice. Fantastic.

NEVILLE POOLE: Thank you, Roxi.

ROXI OZOLINS: Of course, of course. So you might’ve just explained this because I think that is a pretty powerful statement, but what would you want your legacy to be? What do you want to leave behind? What do you want to inspire both professionally and personally? I’m interested in you all the way around. I think that you’re a powerful, passionate person so I want to hear what is the legacy of Neville?

NEVILLE POOLE: Wow.

ROXI OZOLINS: Yeah, big question.

NEVILLE POOLE: I absolutely love people. And I believe that when you are passionate about people and helping develop people, everything else comes. It just flows. My grandfather passed away, what is this, late last year. And he was an absolutely amazing man. He taught me that anything is possible when people believe in each other. And it was his mission to help people find and trust what they believed that that has become just a part of who I am. It could be somebody at the grocery store. I don’t walk past someone without speaking. It’s a habit. It’s just who I am. You never know what people are going through, whether they’re at work or they’re at the soccer field or gymnastics. You just don’t know, and so why not be that love conduit? Why not be the one to give them that little extra that they need?

If I’m talking to people on my team about some of the challenges they have with building their book of business or trying to transform a client or whatever it is, if we believe in their ability… They may not always be in the right position or role, but it doesn’t stop the fact that if we truly love people and we believe in the power that they have, then we’re always helping them. And I want to leave my children, my family, my friends with a really deep desire to help people believe in their ability to impact the world. And if they believe it, they’ll do it. They will achieve things that they never thought was possible just by someone believing in them. And that is super important to me. And if I had to frame up a legacy, Roxi, that would be what it would be.

ROXI OZOLINS: I feel like I want to go jogging. I feel great. I don’t want to go jogging, but I do want to go jogging.

NEVILLE POOLE: I’m glad you don’t because I don’t feel like it right now.

ROXI OZOLINS: That was amazing. Okay, so what moment or accomplishment are you most proud of in your career or your personal life?

NEVILLE POOLE: It’s hard to pinpoint a specific moment, Roxi. But I would say that I’m most proud of just not giving up professionally. So many times I got overlooked, over-talked, just walked by, and I never had… There were moments where I was like, “I don’t know, should I even be doing this? What am I doing? Why am I here?” But I didn’t give up. And that is something that I’m most proud of. Because now where I sit and the ability to partner with so many different people would have been completely lost if I’d have given up. And so I’m proud that I didn’t give up.

And then I think I’m proud of my daughters. They go through a lot with me even since they were born, traveling. Especially early in my consulting career, I was on the road all the time. And the fact that they are very aware of how important my impact is to me, it makes it important to them. So I get to share moments with them, and they appreciate it. And I’m proud of the little, young ladies that they’ve become, the compassionate, loving competitors that I have raised. I’m really proud of them.

ROXI OZOLINS: Oh, I bet they are absolutely fierce, incredible women. I have no doubt. Oh man, send me their resumes. I want them in 10 years.

NEVILLE POOLE: Will do, will do.

ROXI OZOLINS: Okay, so how do you do it all? You’re talking a little bit about your daughters and your husband. Mom, wife, managing director, friend, how do you balance it all?

NEVILLE POOLE: Well, number one, I absolutely love what I do. Is it stressful? Is it crazy? Sometimes do I want to pull my hair out? But I love what I do. And so that right there makes a lot of everything easier. So sometimes I should turn off my laptop. Sometimes I work too late. But I ask for help. I ask for help. I ask for help professionally. I ask for help personally. I can’t do it all. So to your question as to how do you do it all, I don’t do it all. I have a good system. I have a good support system. I have an amazing team that is very aware. We’re aware of each other’s limits. When those triggers happen that it’s like, “You know what, Neville, can I do that for you or can I take that off your plate?” “Yes, you can.” There’s no pride about giving something up. And if you have that, you create that support system professionally and personally and you’re not prideful to say, “I can’t do that right now. I have to prioritize,” or you’re willing to let something go so that someone else can take care of it, that is what allows me to maintain my career and my family in a way that is sustainable.

But don’t get me wrong, sometimes both of those go out of balance. Sometimes my family is crazy and I just want to lock them all in a closet. And then sometimes work is bananas. But in general, I just have a great support system of friends and family and people that I consider friends that are coworkers. And I don’t even like the word coworkers because they’re my friends. We talk every day. We’re constantly trying to figure out how we solve problems together. And I love it. And so that’s how I’m able to balance it.

ROXI OZOLINS: I think you forgot one thing, and that’s a wine fridge.

NEVILLE POOLE: Wait, did I not mention my monthly wine club membership? Oops, guilty.

ROXI OZOLINS: That’s so funny. Okay, so what about the future? What are some things that you’re most excited about in terms of being here and your new role and everything that comes with that? What are you excited about?

NEVILLE POOLE: I’m excited about learning so much more. I feel like I’m finally at a point in my career where I can be more mindful. And being at this point in my career is really my own personal litmus test. But there’s so many things I want to learn. And I feel so blessed to be here at Accenture where everything you need to learn is pretty much here. So I want to learn everything I can about technology and innovation. That is very exciting to me. So I’m really excited about that. I’m excited about the impact that our team is going to have on the market, how we’re going to transform business as it’s written today into something amazing that we’re going to look back on and say, “I was a part of that. I was a part of that. I worked with that amazing team and we were able to accomplish things with and for our clients that would not have been possible in any other setting.” So I’m excited about our future, our future business, our ability to take over our market.

I’m excited about all the people that I get to work with, especially my career counselees and my mentees, and really helping them elevate themselves in a way where they’re comfortable and they’re excited and they’re happy and they’re moving and they’re driven and really helping facilitate that process with them. So those would be the things that I would say I’m most excited about right now.

ROXI OZOLINS: Oh, I bet you’re creating so many of those moments we talked about, that you can feel that you’re either setting the course for what’s next. I bet you’re having those moments with all those people lucky enough to be your mentees. I love thinking about that. You’re their moment. It’s amazing. It’s amazing to think about that. Okay, as we wrap up here, do you have a mantra that you can share with us?

NEVILLE POOLE: I absolutely can. So I’ve never considered it as a mantra, but it’s something that I do when I need support, I need to get myself together, I need to just move in a certain direction. And for me, I’m a Christian woman and what really motivates and encourages me is my spirituality. And so when I’m at that point where I need that refocus, I say, and I say this when it’s good, I say it when it’s bad, I say it when I’m unknown, when I’m unsure, when I’m nervous, when I’m worried, when I’m excited, when I’m celebrating, is, “Thank you, Jesus.” And that is something that I repeat over and over. I say it when I drop my phone and my screen doesn’t break. It’s just literally when I’m walking into a meeting with a bunch of people that I have never met and I am here to help them solve their problems that they may or may not realize they have, I say that. I say, “Thank you, Jesus,” before I walk in. I say, “Thank you, Jesus,” when I leave. It’s important to me. It’s who I am. It’s just how I encompass everything that happens in this world that we can and cannot… Most of the things we cannot control. And for me, that is my foundation, and it helps me stay the course so that I see and help people get to the other side.

ROXI OZOLINS: Yeah. Yeah, it’s who you are. Is there anything else that you want to leave people with today? And again, this is going to be our special International Women’s Day Agile Amped podcast, so is there any other last words that you want to give our audience?

NEVILLE POOLE: The most important thing to me, Roxi, as I mentioned before, is understand who you are and embrace who you are and show up and allow people to get value out of who you are. That is, to me, the most important thing that we as women can do is love who we are. And if we don’t, then others never get the value out of being a part of your experience.

ROXI OZOLINS: Of your light, yeah. I love that. Neville, I so appreciate your time today. And thank you for everyone listening to this edition of Agile Amped. If you learned something new, please tell a friend, a coworker or a client about this podcast. And make sure to subscribe to hear more inspiring conversations like this one. If you find that you have a story to share, let us know on agileamped.com. And thank you so much. Until next time.